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which russia is a signatory and detailed, which has got a violation of the territorial coordinates which match the flight plan, and then putting out pictures which clearly they have analyzed to the nth degree. integrity and sovereignty of ukraine. and it might not be, but this is the closest, this is the best, and we have been very firm in saying that we will stand with this is the most reliable ukraine and the ukrainian people information, and this is exactly in ensuring that that the sort of information that territorial integrity and sovereignty is maintained. i think we all recognize that people like michael goldfarb, in there are historic ties between his previous life and job, were russia and ukraine, and i think hoping and praying to get their hands on because it takes them the prime minister would be the first one to acknowledge that. much closer to the cause. >> do we have peter goelz ready? and i think the prime minister and the current government in peter goelz formerly of the kiev has recognized and has national transportation safety board going to come with us in a second. what do you think, michael, as communicated directly to the russian federation their desire somebody who used to work for the faa, is the reaction right to try to manage through this now? process diplomatically. is the u.s. making sure that the but what the prime minister i think has rightly insisted on is united states authorities who are looking for this flight and they cannot have a country the allied countries that are outside of ukraine dictate to also searching, are people going to that spot right now? them how they should arrange >> i imagine so.
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their affairs. as richard quest said, i think it can be relied on with a high and that there is a degree of fidelity, so constitutional process in place absolutely. and a set of elections that they we've had so many turns on this we're a little weary of every can move forward on that in fact new lead, but this one really could lead to different resonates. it will be checked out and arrangements over time with the hopefully it will begin to answer all the questions of the crimean region. but that is not something that speculation of what happened to this aircraft. >> if you're just joining us, can be done with the barrel of a let me reset for you. gun pointed at you. obviously the world has been consumed with this flight that and so secretary kerry is in disappeared, malaysia airlines flight 370, and just in the last communications with the russian government and has offered to few minutes the chinese government has released these try to explore with his satellite images officially from the state administration of counterpart, foreign minister lavrov, a diplomatic solution to this crisis. science, technology, and we are in close communication industry for china's national defense. with the ukrainian government in these images according to the terms of how we might proceed chinese government show -- they are from sunday morning in the going forward. but we will continue to say to south china sea of three suspected floating octobers. the russian government that if their sizes are 13 meters by 18 it continues on the path that it meters, 14 meters by 19 meters and 24 meters by 22 meters. is on, then not only us but the
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let's go to andrew stevens in international community, the european union, and others will kuala lumpur. your reaction to this news, this be forced to apply a cost to information from the chinese government, and tell us as russia's violations of somebody who covers that part of the world and the chinese international law and its government what your best guest is in terms of what this vetting encroachments on ukraine. there's another path available process was before the chinese and we hope that president putin government would release this is willing to seize that path. information. >> well, that's the interesting question. i was actually in beijing. i went to beijing when the flight disappeared. but if he does not i am very confident that the international and it was very quickly apparent community will stand strongly behind the ukrainian government in preserving its unity and its that this was going to be from a territorial integrity. let me just make two final top-down approach a major priority to sort out what was going on by the chinese. points. obviously because of the the chinese president himself, political turmoil the economic xi jinping, said he wanted an all-out effort to find this situation in the ukraine has become more challenging, not plane. what strikes me is if these less, and that's why i'm very images were taken on sunday, it proud that not only as critical is now wednesday and now members of the international surfacing. my question is has the malaysian government been made aware of monetary fund, the imf, we are them before?
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working with the prime minister i was at a press conference here about four hours before. and his team in a package that could help to institute the chinese ambassador was necessary reforms inside of the sitting in the front row of that press conference. he wasn't talking, wouldn't say ukraine but also help to anything about how the search stabilize the situations that has been handled but he did say people feel confident that -- in that he had been prooichtly their daily lives they can meet briefed. the basic necessities. now, if those images we've seen, we're also asking congress to and i'm sure as richard was act promptly to deliver on an saying your other guest, have been vetted like the chinese aid package including a $1 would vet them because they billion loan guarantee that can would not want to risk losing help smooth the path for reform face over something this big or this critical, if they were good inside of ukraine and give the prime minister and his to go, the malaysian government government capacity to do what is still very much focusing not they need to do as they are also so to much in that area but organizing an election process. still towards the west. so i would just ask both so there seems to be a slight democrats and republicans who i know are unified in their discrepancy about what the malaysia government knows at this stage and when they were support of ukraine to move told. >> and of course the chinese quickly to give us the support government as opposed to the that we need so that we can give united states government where there would be all sorts of questions from a nosey press, the ukrainian people the support what did they know, when did that they need. they know it, why weren't we told sooner, there are not the
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kind of press freedoms in and then finally, mr. prime china -- >> it's not going to happen. minister, i would ask that you >> we'll probably never know deliver a message to the ukrainian people on behalf of exactly the story. all the american people, and if you're just tuning in, the that is that we admire their chinese government has released satellite imagery that seems to courage, we appreciate their show flee floati ining objects, pictures taken sunday in the aspiration aspirations. south china sea. the interest s of the united peter goelz, former official states are solely in making sure with the national transportation that the people of ukraine are able to determine their own safety board, what's your take? destiny. that is something that here in the united states we believe in as michael said, this is not just the best lead. deeply. this is the only lead. i know it's something that you what's your reaction to these believe in deeply as well. and you can rest assured that images? >> i agree completely with you will have our strong support michael. as has already been identified as you move forward during these it's where it's supposed to be. difficult times. there was always great thank you. skepticism about this turn, 90-degree turn crossing back over the island. >> president obama meeting with so i think they've got to get the interim ukrainian prime minister in the oval office just vessels and aircraft there as quickly as humanly possible, moments ago. the prime minister said ukraine would not give up the crimean track where it might have drifted in the intervening time
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peninsula to russia. and get some eyes on the jim acosta is live at the white wreckage as soon as possible. house with the latest. jim, we're hearing the pentagon this opens up the door back to is considering beefing up the u.s. military presence in the an err naught cat problem and not a human problem. region. but what can the president really offer the interim prime minister of ukraine right now in >> peter, when you were with the terms of pushing putin out of national transportation safety board, did you ever have to deal crimea? with the chinese government? >> we had a couple of accidents >> reporter: well, jake, that is the big question at this point. in china in which u.s. products and while you did hear the president urge congress to go were involved and we did deal ahead and get busy and pass some with them. financial assistance to ukraine it was always a cautious relationship. it does not surprise me that that this administration has pledge to that prime minister china was somewhat reluctant or yatsenyuk, the diplomatic options are really what they're they were slow to come forward. looking at at this point. secretary of state john kerry is they may not want to reveal what headed to london to meet with kind of satellite capabilities they have and exactly what lavrov, and i did talk to a they're looking at in that region of the country, that senior administration official this afternoon who said that region of the world. secretary kerry would not be going over there unless the >> i want to bring people in if russians were showing some they're just tuning in for this willingness to engage on the information that the chinese government has revealed these diplomatic path forward. and you recall earlier this week new satellite images from the the state department saying that south china sea from sunday the secretary would not make such a trip unless the russians morninging. these very, very large floating were taking concrete steps in
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that direction. so this administration official images as officials and experts is telling me, jake, they do feel like that's the case. from ten different countries i want to tell you about scour the ocean in the region something that was really striking that we heard from the trying to find any hint of what ukrainian prime minister just a few moments ago. may have happened to malaysia he came out to the stakeout position you're familiar with air flight 70 with the 239 over here at the white house, and i asked him just before he passengers including -- and crew members on board. left whether or not he believes chinese government has released president putin would back down this information, these and he said very sharply that satellite images, showing these three immense floating octobers. president putin, if he's allowed to take crimea, he predicted he would try to take other parts of in meters 13 x 18, 14 x 19, 24 x ukraine. so the prime minister yatsenyuk, who is going to be speaking at 22. i'm sure a member of my staff the atlantic council in a few will translate that to feet. minutes from now before meeting with john boehner, is making a michael, when you were with the very plain and candid assessment faa, did you have to deal with the chinese government at any of where he thinks things are point? >> no. right now in ukraine and in i had to deal with the pan am crimea if events keep moving 103 over lockerbie and the forward with this referendum and international incident that that russia's anticipated or at least occurred. i think peter goelz through ntsb possible an second nation nexat has had that experience and it's a good point about being peninsula. cautious yet again. >> thanks so much. that's a conflicting objective. turning to our world lead. if it's possible those vetting those three days cost us enormous amount of lead time on
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the disappearance of the malaysian airlines flight seem this debris field. so that's the concern there. even more baffled today than they did yesterday. >> the question of course is there is still no sign of the whether or not these images from plane or the 239 people who were sunday morning were discovered on board. keep in mind that even when air sunday and vetted by the chinese france flight 447 disappeared in government over the last three days or whether -- 2009 pieces of wreckage were >> at any point it's the first piece of good news we've had in first seen within a day or so five days on this. and were confirmed within five >> just to give people an idea, days even though it did take two good news, of course, being a years to find the plane itself. relative term. >> relative term. this time nothing. >> to give people an idea of how not a trace. big tease these objects are, one malaysian authorities today more than doubled the search area. is 343 by 59 feet, one is 46 it now covered 27,000 square feet by 62 feet, one is 79 feet miles in part because the by 72 feet. malaysians have had trouble agreeing on where the plane last what you would expect if you were looking for an airplane was and when. generally speaking this far into the investigation you would hope that crashed. i want to go to tom foreman now. to see a search grid narrowed not expanded. tom, give us some idea of where a senior malaysian air force official tuesday told cnn a exactly these images are from military radar tracked the plane when it comes to the search to the extreme west coast of the area. the grid expanded today to country indicating that perhaps it had turned around and flew 27,000 miles. about an hour in the wrong >> the grid was very big. direction but then the prime initially it started off an area
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minister's office said no evidence showed the plane flew right in here and then they went into area ls over in here and back across land. today in yet another areas in here. contradiction and correction the tremendous amount of area being malaysians now say the radar pulled in. records do show a plane, though i want to point out what we had in this case is this location is not necessarily flight 370, but a plane crossed back over into right about here. the country around that time. if you look down to this part of despite conflicting information just south of vietnam, down in from initials, malay da's this area, so this is very much defense minister defended his in keeping with the general range of where they thought the plane was. country's handling of the crisis it would absolutely be within today. >> this is unprecedented what the initial search area, not the we're going through, coordinating so many countries expanded search area. together is not something that and as you noted just a few is easy. minutes ago absolutely contrary we're looking at so many vessels to the idea that the plane went and erick, so many countries to this way, there were people over coordinate, and a vast area for here who said they heard things us to search. and saw things and thought it and each time [ inaudible ] i went that way. but remember there were also fear that the search-and-rescue people up in this area who said becomes just a search. they saw something. >> not to project too much, but so this would be absolutely in the families of these missing keeping. as you mentioned the size of the passengers probably don't want pieces there, you remember the to hear how tough the searchers air france pieces, some of those pieces coming out of ta the have it looking for their loved water also very big pieces of ones.
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airplane. that all is at least in keeping with the facts as we know them. tom foreman has been mapping out >> peter goelz formerly of the this 27,000-square-mile search national transportation safety board, when you hear of octobers zone and niece the virtual room. this large, 79 feet by 72 feet, tom, where are they looking? >> hey, jake. 46 x 62 feet, 43 x 59 feet, that the trend line of this search is going in exactly the wrong is obviously consistent with direction. what you would expect to find at let me bring in the map and the site of a plane crash. explain what i'm talking about. >> well, it could be. we know where the plane took off, know where it was heding the key thing is to get the eyes on the ground there as quickly and we know that it vanished without a trace. as possible. but that's about all we know and one other point. it's one thing -- this is it has become very, very confused as each period of hours another strike against a has passed since that time. military run accident partially because of this, investigation. it's one thing to have the because there have been many military asking the chinese reports of people saying i saw something or i heard something intelligence whether they have, or maybe i saw something and you know, any assets that they can add to it. that has led the authorities to it's quite another thing if you start looking in many far-flung have a civil aviation places. investigation in which you have the result -- look at what has a group activity asking for happened to the search arias. assistance. they started off in one general the governments are much more likely to respond positively. location. now it has spread across land to >> so right now, i want to ask a other bodies of water and question about these floating there's no sign of when it's
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necessarily going to stop. objects that the chinese that's because they're trying to government located. respond to every possibility out there. yes, they have a lot of resources, some 42 or more different ships out there, peter, would these objects theoretically still be floating? around 39 aircraft, a dozen different countries helping, but >> they could be. no matter how many resources you certainly there will be a lot of light debris in the general area have, you've got to gse search if they can track it correctly. areas and see if you can spot but some of the pieces could anything. and that takes a tremendous still be floating. amount of time, especially when the vertical stabilizer on air you consider ocean currents can move things so after you've france was floating. searched an area you may have to a number of them could still be go back again just to make sure. floating. ? and how do authorities find them now? obviously they go to the region the tremendous scope here does where this image is from. not seem to represent the how do they find them if they magnitude of effort to find this have sunk deep into the water? plane as much as it represents >> well, you use -- you bring in the confusion over where to look. and that, jake, is why so many people who are experienced in of the families are frustrated that field, you drop down remote and frankly why some of the countries involved in the search controlled, underwater vehicles seem to be getting frustrated too. jake? with high-resolution cameras and >> baffling. tom foreman, thank you. you start the search on a up next, an faa warning just systemic basis. and it works. months ago that the boeing 777 if you've got the general area, could break into pieces midair. the techniques are there, that so was the malaysia airlines they will find the wreckage.
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plane checked before flight 370? >> michael goldfarb, obviously now the head of the company admits he does not know. plus a troubling new broader the time for questioning china search area has some experts is much later. questioning if malaysian authorities have a handle on this investigation. u.s. officials will be focused on let's get as much information as we can from the chinese government, the authorities, when they got the information because they're going to need to know, it's not the same thing if these images came from earlier today versus when the chinese government says they came from sunday morning. >> i think there's credibility behind these images. i think the teams are being assembled to go to that area. i believe they will absolutely be able to find the wreckage. they have the technology to do it and the relief that everybody feels from having to look 27,000 mile ls across oceans and jungles isn't possible. so this at least gives a chance ha the black boxes will still be pinging, have 30 days in them. >> only been five days. >> air france was five days.
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this is a hopeful sign in the investigation. >> how does the u.s. government and others hl negotiate those waters? do people forgo territorial issues? peter might have a better answer. i would imagine in a crisis they work together. >> peter, of the 239 individuals who were on this flight roughly 150 of them, 154 were from china or taiwan. important cause for the chinese government. you were saying the malaysian government has not invoked the treaty that exists for the
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purposes of these thins. is it difficult to negotiate to get to places like this if they are in chinese waters for example? >> it can be. in this case with such widespread publicity and [ chainsaw whirring ] interest, my guess is as soon as they uncover the first piece of humans -- sometimes life trips us up. wreckage they identify they're going to switch this to a sometimes we trip ourselves up. and although the mistakes may seem to just keep coming at you, civil-led investigation and invoke the treaty. they may be doing that now. so do the solutions. like multi-policy discounts from liberty mutual insurance. save up to 10% just for combining your auto and home insurance. call liberty mutual insurance at... this is their first solid lead. [ thump ] >> peter, obviously we don't know what this is yet. to speak with an insurance expert and ask about all the personalized savings available it might not be related to the missing flight. for when you get married, move into a new house, or add a car to your policy. personalized coverage and savings. as somebody who's done these investigations, what is your all the things humans need basic thought seeing these images? to make our world a little less imperfect. call...
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and ask about all the ways you could save. >> this is as good as liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? information as we have. >> the size of these images is quite stunning. i have it in meters but also in feet, up to 72 x 64. these are big images, peter, consistent. as you say it's not proof positive but consistent with what you might expect to find. >> could be wing to wing portions of the wreckage could meet those specs. >> michael, your thoughts. we're about to close out the hour and go to wolf blitzer. >> i think the size of the pieces, everything we've heard in the last half hour about this breaking news from chinese gives good cause to believe we've now perimeterized the area to focus our search. that's a huge relief to everybody to be able to at least be able to look for this. i think it's a high chance that they're going to confirm this is pieces of the wreckage.
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>> and the information of course not expected to be positive. we expect this to be the site of a plane crash. >> no good news in that. >> but there is some potentially some resolution. >> aviation safety standpoint positive news, for the families and everybody else it may bring a close to a chapter that's painful. >> michael goldfarb formerly of the federal aviation administration, china this welcome back to the lead. releasing these images from we'll continue our world lead sunday of three immense floating octobers that appear to be from and day five of the search for an airplane, one 43 by 59, one the malaysia airlines missing passenger debt. 79 by 72 feet. now to wolf blitzer. have the malaysian authorities been handling the search correctly? if not, can anything be done about it? >> jarron:ing me is the former director of the national the breaking news, following the mystery of flight 370. transportation safety board, ntsb. he's now is senior vice china releasing satellite images president at o'neill & associates. thanks for being here. of the suspect crash scene.
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they appear to show large there's been misinformation and suspected floating octobers. corrections from the malaysian police in kuala lumpur stem cell research home of the pilot and authorities on whether wreckage had been spotted where the last radar detection of the plane was, whether passengers checked the flight similar lulatoilar u. in but didn't board the plane, on how the men who were using can it provide clues? the boeing 777 is views as a stolen passports, who they were, reliable airliner. their description. ed by authorities act on an faa at best, they're bad at communication. at worst they are incompetent. safety directive? i'm wolf blitzer. have you ever seen it this bad? >> this is the worst i've seen it in recent time, and there's a reason for this. you know, anytime there's an accident, an international one like this, there's chaos during the first 24, 36 hours. that's why there's a treaty that everyone signs, the malaysians have signed. it sets out the procedures and the process. how do you take on an investigation of this magnitude? how do you involve the other countries that have an interest in this? how do you control rumors and release factual information?
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to this day the pa lagss have not followed that treaty. the americans are not being involved in the way in which they should as an accredited representative. they are there under the rights of an international treaty that not had the kind of access they should have. that's the reason the radar data could have been misanalyzed. >> do you think that another country should now be in charge of this investigation? >> well, all malaysia airlines -- all malaysia has to do is invoke the treaty and involve the interested parties, which includes china and the united states and the structure is there that will help get to some factual information. >> why don't they invoke the treaty? >> i think there's a great deal of national pride involved in the operations of a national airline. and when something like this happens, particularly with the overlay that perhaps something nefarious was going on in the
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cockpit, boy, the military steps in and says we're going to control this. civil aviation takes a back seat to it. even the prime minister's office apparently is not in control. >> you saw something similar like this when egyptair, the pilot committed suicide with all the passengers on board. >> it was a very delicate situation, but in that case the egyptians actually delegated their authority to the united states. now, they grew to be very unhappy with that once the investigation progressed because the ntsb determined that the co-pilot flew the plane into the water. but they delegated the authority to the ntsb. we had the resources to get it done. and the ntsb called the shots as they saw them. >> it's got to be excruciating for the poor family members of the passengers. there was an editorial in a chinese-run state newspaper that said "the information malaysia released to the public is very kai kaye ottawaic. is the malaysian military hiding anything on purpose?" it seems the majority of these
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passengers were chinese. do you expect the chinese to get a little more aggressive when it comes to the investigation? that's a state-run newspaper. that's the chinese government saying malaysia, you're impressing us. >> it would not surprise me if the chinese foreign ministry called the malaysian ambassador and said this has got to stop. we have over 200 citizens that potentially died and we want to know what happened. get it under control. >> let's turn to the fact that the search grid has now expanded to 27,000 square miles. is it even possible to search an area that large? >> it's preposterous. twa flight 800 crashed nine miles off the coast of long island in 200 feet of water. we saw it go down. the wreckage was on fire the next morning. it took us three days to find that wreckage. it is extraordinarily hard to find wreckage in open ocean. i mean, a need until a haystack
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easy assignment compared to this. >> there are several reports, different sightings, alleged sightings. how do you know which ones to take seriously as an investigator? >> that's where the involvement of the other countries and their investigators come in. the team that the ntsb sent over, and i'm sure the team that boeing sent over, are all experienced investigators. they've seen cases like this before. they can give the advice that says, listen, you know, you want to look at this but this is not serious. for instance the radar track showing the plane going back over the land, that was a primary return. it's very hard to track those and impossible to identify who it was. there's no reason why it couldn't have been another plane. >> let's talk about that radar blip. how much credibility do you give that report? yesterday it seemed like this was the new information, then the prime minister's office said it wasn't, now we're being told
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it was an airplane but not necessarily flight 370. what do you make of all this? >> i think you've got to bring in as wide a team of experts to study the radar, to study as many different radar returns, tracks that you can get, and then make a decision. you'll say, well, there was a track that intersected but they have no idea whether it was the missing aircraft or not. >> do you think they're going to find this plane? >> aviation can't stand a vacuum. boeing and the rest of the aviation community are not going to allow a cloud to be over an aircraft as ubiquitous as the 777. they are going to keep after this until they find it and solve it. >> lastly, sir, i know we want to avoid speculation, but you did work for the ntsb. what do you think is the most plausible theory at this point based on the information we have? >> the only thing you can do is you start to narrow the options. and frankly right now the options that are, you know,
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highest on the list, you've goat to look inside the cockpit. something happened to turn off that transponder and we don't know why. it could have been the flight crew. it could have been someone from outside the flight deck that entered the cockpit. i think that's got to be near the top. >> but you think based on what we know how a hume nl had something to do with this. >> you can't eliminate that. got to be near the top. >> peter goelz formerly of the ntsb, thanks for your expertise. up next, the type of plane that disappeared, the faa raised a serious alarm about it long before flight 370 vanished. could that hold the key to what happened? and young parents on a much-needed vacation, teenage sweethearts traveling back after visiting family, just some of the passengers on board flight 370. their stories coming up.
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asking that hundreds of 777s be checked for krax and corrosion issues. the concern that if these problems were to go undetected they could possibly lead to decompression problems and, quote, a loss of structural integrity of a plane, unquote. meaning essentially that an aircraft could break um midair. joining me is michael goldfarb, the faa's former chief of stab. can you explain what prompted this directive? >> first of all, just to go back on the speculation, at the end of the day we normally find that the speculation is wrong and it's a variety of things. i think right now everybody's guessing because of the absolute mystery of how this could have disappeared off radar, how we have no clue where is it is. >> but we've never had a mystery like this in recent decades. >> even air france, the recording system on day one indicated through data there was something wrong with that plane. >> we saw wreckage within a day. >> right. we have to rule out it's only in
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the ocean. we don't know. it could be over the jungle or land, so that's another issue. back to the faa. >> you think it's possible it landed somewhere? >> well, i don't know about that. i don't believe that it landed safely. >> but possible that it is on land. >> possible it crashed on land, absolutely. no reason to rule any of that out. the radar feed from the military is highly unreliable as peter goelz talked about. there's no identification of the aircraft itself. could have been a helicopter, a bird, a piece of debris. back to the faa, if you read those a.d.s you wouldn't fly because they scare you, but they're technical term. that air worthiness directive is as run of the mill as a recall on a car. the airplane has issues all the time. one plane found a 12-inch propagated crack on a boeing 777 and the faa looked at that and decided an alert went out to all airlines to basically fix that at the next scheduled repair. had that been an emergency
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repair, those planes roufb grounded. the 787 that was grounded last year because of the lithium battery was this an emergency. malaysia air, we don't know if they made the february fix. did they fix that problem or not. lots of questions. but it puts back in physical and mechanical into the mix more than others had suggested. >> i understand and respect the notion of putting this into context and perspective. we don't want to make this a bigger deal, this airworthiness directive that these 777s might suffer from corrosion and there could be a loss of structural integrity of the plane. doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond a recall. but as we've seen with general motors, sometimes these warnings come -- 13 people were killed as a result of these cars and flaws. >> absolutely. i believe it's top of the agenda in the discussion between ntsb, boeing, and the malaysian
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authorities and faa. clearly this is on the table, but what i'm telling you is the language, you say the plane's going to fall out of the sky. not necessarily. it could be routine. if malaysia didn't comply, we could have a problem. >> in light of this problem, could and should the faa be taking a more hard-line approach into looking into this corrosion and cracking issue or is it premature to say that? >> they did that in the hawaiian air flight in the early ninth. a flight attendant was sucked out of the plane. the plane landed safely. from that point on aircraft that fly over the oceans have a corrosion problem because of the salt air. a plane can be 12, 13, 14 years old, fly over the ocean, i think this was 12 years old, but if it has an aggressive program to maintain the integrity of the aircraft it's not a problem at all. so they've been pretty good historically on this. here's the biggest -- >> the faa.
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>> here's the biggest problem. there's two tragedies, the loss of the plane, the families, malaysia's handling of this, the chaos between the military and civil side of the malaysia, what is the search area. the other concern is we have to find probable cause because you board a 777 this evening for london, you want to know for sure that the problem of this aircraft didn't migrate to the rest of the fleet. that's why it's imperative for boeing and the faa to get to the root cause of this crash. >> how concerned are you by the way the malaysian authorities have handled the investigation? >> they're getting a hard wrap. before we put too much blame, i think they were overwhelmed by the magnitude of this and it only got worse for them. there might have been some cultural differences between the military use -- military air space in many countries is 60%, they control a lot more in the united states. you have the military culture, civil culture. i'm more concerned where malaysian air is. why haven't we heard what was on their report? why don't we know if it complied
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with the airworthiness directive? it's a very complicated story. lots of blame to go around. yet the search widens. >> we need to have an answer to that question, did they follow the airworthiness directive for the boeing 777. thanks so much, michael goldfarb. up next, officials who seem to have no clue about the jet, adding to the anguish of loved ones. we'll talk to our reporter who was in the room today as the story changed yet again. gunderman group is a go. yes!
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welcome back to "the lead." breaking news on missing malaysia airlines flight 370. chinese officials say their satellite images may, i underscore, may show the location of the plane. we're continuing to gather information about this. let's go to our own andrew stevens, who's standing by in the capital of malaysia, kuala lumpur. what do we know?
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>> details sketchy at moment. this was a message sent out by the state administration of science, tech knowledge and industry, the national defense. we think it's the umbrella body which takes in space administration as well. they say that on march 9th they saw a suspected crash at sea. this is their words. and that there were three pieces of debris. the biggest being about 24 meters by 22 meters from that crash zone. now, there are satellite images out and they've also given coordinates of where they saw that crash. i've just got the google map up here and looking at where it would have been, which wasn't far from the original flight path. it is well into the south china sea roughly halfway between malaysia and vietnam. this is the administration for national defense saying on march 9th suspected crash at sea. there were three suspected floating objects. that's about all i can tell you
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at moment. this is march 9th, a sunday. that flight took off on -- early saturday morning so, we need to get a lot more background checks on this, but that's what they are saying at the moment, which as i say it's on the flight path but a lot of the theories now are pointing very much towards the plane actually going to the west, going in totally the opposite direction on the other side of malaysia. >> andrew, stay with us. i want to go to michael goldfarb, former official with the federal aviation administration. when you see a report like this, the chinese government saying they've detected an image 22 by 24 meters in the south china sea -- >> sunday? it's wednesday. it's three days out and we're just getting this information now. the image was taken on sunday, three days ago. where has that been?
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that would have greatly helped. >> you can see there is the image, the satellite image, and we're going to continue to try to get more. you can see it's still downloading right now. i don't know if that means anything to you. >> it may or may not be useful. it does kind of confirm -- a lot of doubting thomass have the notion the plane did that hard turn based on that military feed. this would bring it back to where we originally thought its flight path was. >> to the east. >> and it makes sense given what we know. that will have to be confirmed but certainly if that's the case, boy, that's a lucky hit because otherwise we're facing weeks and months of searching incredible amounts of sea. >> when you express -- i don't know if it's frustration or what about the fact that this image was taken from the chinese government of what may be the plane, we don't know, that it was shot -- this image came from sunday and today is wednesday, are you expressing frustration that the chinese government apparently withheld it or that it took three days to go back
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and sflook. >> both. both. one would think with an international crisis of this magnitude affecting so many chinese citizens if they had that image, where was the report of that on sunday? >> of course you would know better than i, is it not possible they were just going back in time and just because of sheer manpower they couldn't see every image and -- >> possibly, but by sunday night, i mean, they know that grid, they know that area, they have their images from the satellites. that should have been reported much earlier. but it's part and parcel of what we've within experiencing here, a kai kaye ottawa chaotic, diso investigation. >> put on your former hat as a former official of the federal aviation administration. is this now likely the number-one lead? >> well, it's the only lead. the only credible lead. they'll have to run to ground that image. hopefully it will be better than the military paining of the radar on the west turn of that aircraft. so, yeah, sure.
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>> it makes it more sense. >> it does. it does nothing to explain any of that. it simply implies that have the flight path from kuala lumpur. >> michael, stand by. i want to go to richard quest with cnn. he's in new york. this image taken on sunday showing three floating objects. your thoughts. >> it's the only lead and not only that it is the most probable lead. it puts the plane where it should be roughly. it puts the plane in the south china sea, which is exactly where one would have expected the plane to be if there hadn't been this turn lg off to the left in the straits of malacca.
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so from the simple logistics of the argument this is far more relevant than anything else we've seen. also it coincides roughly with this letter, this report, this rumor from an oil rig worker who said they saw some burning debris, which was being discounted in the last few hours but now obviously is getting some credence. one other thing, jake. the chinese -- look, i'm not an expert by any means but they certainly wouldn't be releasing this information if they felt there was something inappropriate or improper about its credence and credibility. >> richard quest in new york. so let's just reset for a second. we have this breaking news from the chinese government specifically from the state administration of science, technology, and industry for national defense, looking at all of the satellite images, trying to track down malaysia air
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flight 370. they found this image that they just released. it comes from sunday morning, 11:00 a.m. i presume local time. sunday morning. three suspected floating octobers. their sizes are 13 by 18 meters, 14 by 19 meters, 24 by 22 meters. these are the images just released by the chinese government. michael goldfarb formerly of the federal aviation administration, three images of this size. is that consistent with an airplane or are we just looking for any debris at all? >> back to what richard quest said about the methodical nature the chinese would do in terps of releasing the information. the fact they have been late, they certainly have a good feel of this. do we know it's debris from the aircraft? absolutely not. it's the first solid lead consistent with the path of this plane out of kuala lumpur. we'll find out more. that's very encouraging information. it could wash out like the other
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leads and could not be related but it certainly looks more promising. >> knowing the chinese government, richard quest, i would find it hard to believe that they haven't already checked this out at greater length than just the satellite image. >> every sinew inside all of us is saying exactly the same thing, jake. we may not -- look, i'm just going to simply say it outright. it's pretty inconceivable that the chinese would risk the level of embarrassment of putting out this statement, which is
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